20062021 Nihonto Message Board I do share Greys sentiment though. Overall a very nice condition WW2 Type 95 NCO Katana that will appreciate in value over the coming years. Given the large jump in value that NCO swords have experienced in the last few years and given how relatively easy it is to copy something that is cast and milled without a lot of hand work involved, I think it is only a matter of time, and not much time at that, before the fakes are indistinguishable from the real thing. Learn how your comment data is processed. Matching serial numbers 31123. The Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword is one of the most reproduced / faked swords in the world, be warned. Seppa intergrated in the fuchi is a no go here. - all carved and Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people. I'll continue to post where I find different examples. When ANY doubt exists as to the authenticity or WW II era machine made swords have an etched temper line, not a true temper line (hamon) made Grain does not determine age. Your previous content has been restored. An excellent example of a World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword that was obviously carried in the field of combat operations. kink one side but is overall very good for its age; the locking can be. Serial range could be wrong as well but, I cant see them. Description. Hi I'm a newly signed up member of the site. For definitions of terms, check the visual glossary page. Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. The machine-made blade is 26 inches long. As originally produced the saber included a leather finger loop inside of the guard, which was riveted to the basket guard. The reverse is also not true - if a sword is not signed does not mean it is machine made. A real shooter with aim. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. WWII JAPANESE TYPE 98 ARMY SHIN-GUNTO SWORD!!! By the way, the MILLIONS of copy ROLEXS have not slowed the demand for the real thing, or stopped prices rising. Japanese WWll Army officer`s sword in mountings, Mantetsu made "Shigefusa", 1939, " MOTOHARA BLADES SGT-" JAPANESE SWORD/TAMESHIGIRI/KATANA/IAIDO, 40" White Dragon SAMURAI NINJA Bushido KATANA Japanese Sword Carbon Steel Blade, 1095 Clay Tempered Hand Forged Folded Damascus Carbon Steel Full Tang, Katana Sword Clay Tempered T10 Steel Choji Hamon Brass Tsuba Japanese Samurai, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. WW II era swords will show prominent grain (hada). It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. Steel is magnetic - aluminum is not. WW2. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. One thing I also saw while researching is the nightmare of the number of fakes out there. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than U.S. dollars and are approximate conversions to U.S. dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. or old wood sticks. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. I admit that I've had to look at it a couple of times. Original Item: Only One Available. real, good condition, price is abit high. The blade must be examined in its entirety and not judged solely The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo or old wood sticks. (NOTE: Some swords may have two mekugi - one near the guard and the other near the end of the hilt. Machine made blade is good condition. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. Obvious two issues are the scabbard pattern and additional screw. Sorry for the bad news. No habaki. Original Item: Only One Available. Neil. So many repros use Phillips or combination screws, especially on the saya. A lot of people buy it and some weeks later you can buy it as a original NCO Sword.. Essentially, the blade has the Nagoya factory stamp next to the serial number however the Fuchi appears to only have one stamping . This would fool most entry level guys. Paste as plain text instead, Clear editor. There are numerous varieties of items made in the 20th Century as It's also really interesting that it looks like the original serial numbers on the scabbard and blade matched before they were ground. Today I checked, just in case the sword was pulled from sale, and lo and behold there is a 'rare copper handle' now listed, clearly of the same manufacturer. I'm not an expert on Japanese swords, so I'll be glad with the maximum information on this Type 95. Sometimes they get irate. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. Would need in hand to see many more. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. from China The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a. I agree and have never been able to put it into words like you just did. Scabbard retains around 70% of the original paint. Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. I liked the look of the Type 32 but all I've found was deepeeka. Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). Replica swords and many So if they put their mind to it, an NCO sword should be no problem to reproduce. Also, the tang on this is full length, with two holes. This is a great and guaranteed genuine Japanese NCO's Type 95 sword that was carried by a career soldier. In my earlier years, I would have rattled off a long list of the things I see wrong, where the veterans would remain silent. It sounds to me like he was indeed a 3rd party procuring items. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. Etchings. I use it to post different and new varieties of fake 95s. the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords Benefits CHARITY. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future ! Many, many These take that shape of various dragon figures, Japanese peasants, fish etc. These are all machine made and are not classified as "Nihonto". The real tsukas have crisp detail, and the fakes always seem not-crisp. Serial number placement. The tsuba is the plain style utilized on NCO swords. and scabbards were frequently separated and ended up being "married" Shamsy Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. This sword I shared with Steve (this thread) is a very good knowledge test - the goofy belt hanger (Bruce references) made me discount the sword immediately, but on closer look (my opinion) the stamps are a bit better than the other, cheaper fakes out there on the market. Funny story Paul. I don't want to help them any more than necessary. In very good condition, an early WW2 1935M (Type 95) Japanese See each listing for international shipping options and costs. Truly disappointing. doing. There are over 8 obvious indications the sword is a repro dressed as a fake. So all of these swords are offered on egun.de, schwertshop.de and other german sellers. is signed, that it must be hand made. NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. Then the horror is the "Ko" stamp! Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. Is the tang (nakago) signed? Everything for sale on ima-usa.com is completely legal to own, trade, transport and sell within the United States of America. system works well. There is not much more complicated (and valuable) as ROLEX watches. Well am hoping mine is genuine - also just realised I should've actually started my own thread - apologies, Great lets see what you got, in your own post lol. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. Be sure to read Reproductions and Fakes. Buy It Now. iaito (iai practice sword)? blade - most likely a WW II NCO sword. The sad part is someone probably will buy one of them too. Vice versa, antique blades are occassionally found lonely panet. Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. This was a tough one! WW II "Ninja swords" are a Hollywood fiction. And even if your intentions are completely legitimate, the "bad guys" are still out there and could read this post. The serial number should be near the bottom of the blade, just above the habaki. C $158.47 + C $66.38 . Let's sum up. There are two NCO late stage on Ebay now. There is a suspicion that this is a fake. I figured it might be useful to others. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. Upload or insert images from URL. Pre-Owned. This service used example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana, with aluminum handle construction and machine made fullered blade. the mounts can be interesting with hidden, spring loaded, pop out guards. Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. WAY too big, wrong place and the square imprint around it. Please quote item reference S72 (0690). This being despite the machine made blade an cast aluminum hilt. Sword steel of the army standard , Blade length: 83.6, Curvature: 1.35, machine made, tempering in oils, with a fuller and no Hamon, Overall length: 100.2, Made in the Tky Artillery Arsenal Type 32 Gunt is a government supply noncommissioned officer sword enacted in 1889 (August 23, Meiji 32). What a bunch of junk. But as I have been at this for a while, I'm seeing how much better the reproductions are getting, and I realize that every bit of help they can get by reading posts like this, helps them make their fakes even better. Japanese WWII swords are amongst the most copied/faked of all swords and prospective buyers should beware. Here are the expected photos of the serial numbers. Whether a blade is In Germany the only plattform for weapons is egun. at the best online prices at eBay! Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officers sword. If the tsuka can be dismanteld from sword with out removing the sarute and barrel, its a fake! remounted in samurai type mounts by collectors. Clear editor. You can post now and register later. Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program. This claims to be made by Suya Shoten, but their standards and quality control were much higher than this. This scabbard also has an original leather field cover, which has discolored and shrunk over time. The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a way that it is read with the cutting edge facing up). Carved bone and carved ivory sword mountings almost always have untempered, soft steel blades. If there are serial numbers stamped in the blade, it is a machine made Agree with others had to study it for a bit, since it is not an obvious reproduction - but at the end of the day, it has issues! Short fuller. You can post now and register later. . once told the facts they simply try and sell it on at the same price they paid, to avoid a loss of money instead of learning from there mistakes. NCO copper tsuka (handle) that is actually painted on top of the handle, I have not seen that before. Always check. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. This sword has a cast aluminium tsuka (hilt) with an approximately 10mm thick ornate aoi-shaped brass tsuba (guard). I need attribution not for sale, but for museum exhibit. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. IMA works diligently to be aware of these ever changing laws and obeys them accordingly. Sword Shows, Events, Community News and Legislation Issues, Military Swords of Imperial Japan - Ohmura San, Nihonto-Japanese Swords as Art - John Eliyas, The Token Society of GB - Scotland Branch, Nanka Token Kai - Southern California Japanese Sword Society, Japanese Sword Society of the United States, The Society for the Promotion of Japanese Sword Culture (NBSK), The Japanese Sword Society of the United States, Nederlandse Tken Vereniging - Netherlands, San Francisco Nipponto Society *caution. The seppa is a clear fake, and like everyone else said, the bo-hi starts too far down the blade and the tip is round (like a Nagoya). If the swords are getting this good I think that's not a good idea. I agree. Unfortunately, the scabbards serial number does not match the swords . Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. National Guard Marksmanship Training Center. About 80,000 of the Ko sabers were produced between 1899 and 1936, with the lowest reported serial number being 1175 and the highest one being 83390. Grain (hada) is sometimes difficult for beginners to recognize. I have NO idea what that belt hanger is supposed to be. Writing about whatever interests me, and maybe you. There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. To a novice who buys on impulse..then asks in the forums.you'll get BURNT. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. You may severely injure yourself and/or damage the sword. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. They don't need to read the NMB daily to see if there are any tips. This one really annoys me. You cannot paste images directly. original copper coloured paint and is in very good shape. once told the facts they simply. This is due to the method The 26 3/8 inch nagasa (cutting edge section) blade is in very collectors often have a higher knowledge base then dealers, and a higher respect for items and there history. Many of the better . this rare early solid copper handled sword, serial number 631 is all matching and it is also one of the very few known to exist that still has the original leather tassel hanger (saru-te). One, they aren't in the correct range. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people, like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. I opted for the lower end of the market and went for a Type 95 (this is all new to me and only found this out through google) NCO Shin Gunto. The sword sheathes and draws very well, and the IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. I forgot to point out that inside the scabbard there are wooden inserts. the market. They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. It's 40 inches overall, with a 33.5" blade, and weighs roughly two to two and a half pounds, or 101cm with an 85cm blade, and about a kilo for all you metric enthusiasts. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. The blade on this copy above is not made bad in my opinion and it becomes better. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. I'll be an optimist Did he say to use as the basis for copies? WW II era swords have been put into shirasaya or Hi all,while I'm sure our members know how to pick a fake NCO, I wanted to share these.http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=277http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=276&zenid=qot0424cgushvekob07rapkkq2The really disappointing part is that I informed the site owner about the first sword and provided a comprehensive list of indicators the sword is not genuine. All Rights Reserved. Display as a link instead, I completely agree with Bill here. Is the blade sharpened all the way to the base where it joins the hilt? The serial number should be near the bottom of the . Most of the Gun News That is Fit to Print! By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. They are unfortunately getting pretty good now. The best place to look is at the serial Numbers. Newer swords will have a grey, metallic tang perhaps with a little red rust. The Type 95 NCO sword is similar in appearance to officers Type 94 and Type 98 Shin-gunt military swords, but is made of lower quality materials, most notably its hilt, which is made from metal and the scabbard was similar to that of the Type 32 with a prominent drag. The hilt paint is only about 30%, but still shows much of the yellow accent paint. Typically it is for food and baby goods and it is actually a livelihood. sword clubs in many cities. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The blade is quite bright and, while there are some scratches and spots, there are no cracks, chips, or rust. It's hard to really pin down, just doesn't sit right with the eye. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. Showing an average amount of wear throughout, this Japanese Type 95 NCO Shin-Gunto is a beautiful example throughout. If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. The Mechanix of Auto, Aviation, Militarypert near anything I feel relates to mechanical things, places, events or whatever I happen to like. Japanese swords will have a visible grain in the steel of the blade. Display as a link instead, These were made as tourist items from the 1870's through the 1930's. Powered by Invision Community. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. The fuchi collar at the base of the grip bears three stamped marks, these being the marks of the Iijima Copany, the group that manufactured the blade within the Tokyo Arsenal; the inspection stamp of the Imperial Army unit within the Tokyo arsenal that inspected the sword; and the Tokyo Arsenal identification stamp. Matching serial numbers 31123. Sponsored. An elite marksman. There is no historical documentation that ninja used swords which were of a special design or differed from those used by other Japanese of the period. the tsuka casting made me look 3 times, but just look at the stamps on the nakago, Ok, a little later I will add a photo of the unpainted serial numbers. They sell it for 165 EUR everywhere. During the WW II era, many machine made blades 100 % newly made. Most swords do not have matching numbers because somewhere along the life of the sword the scabbard was changed. Could this thread please get a Fake tag? Contact one of them for assistance. The great majority of these swords are made of carved bone, not ivory. Your email address will not be published. Identifying the Best Training, Tools, and Tactics for the Armed Civilian! Rare 1st Type with matching numbers "4428" on blade and scabbard. This is a very scarce and important very early production Japanese Army Type 95 NCO Sword. People can scoff at paranoia as much as you like but the simple fact is they are getting better, whether through study of originals or reading well intentioned post. If the blade is not sharp all the way to the habaki does not assure it is a WW II era blade, but is By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. It has the correct arsenal markings on the hilt collar (fuchi) and blade, and the spacers (seppa) are cast and rounded, while the replicas are crudely cut. 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Slowly improving. All NCO swords were numbered. Could someone simply call the most obvious differences from the original? NCOs will progress into the minefield of German militaria in the next couple of decades. I searched into the rest of the Japanese items on the site. Upload or insert images from URL. Opens in a new window or tab. As with most Axis arms, late war versions of the Type 95 (with wooden tsuba) and are poorly constructed in comparison to those that preceded them in the development line but as a quirk of fate are often more collectible. There are a bunch more issues with the sword, so if anyone wants to test their detective skills this is a good opportunity. . Look at the bohi at the kissaki and the arsenal marks are terrible! Most swords do not have matching . This page was last updated: 04-Mar 05:55. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout If the blade is aluminum, the sword is not I avoided buying into German WW2 helmets because of the fakes out there and now I've entered into another minefield. The serial number looks very short by the size of the painted over area - maybe too short. I agree, once they start nailing the kissaki and proper proportions it will be a minefield out there. I do not think they will be able to make a perfect fake as there are too many small details right down to the materials used. World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. Most handmade Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future! The scabbard is painted the correct green color, and the spacing from the top to the hanging ring is the correct 3 inches. There are numerous The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. Exploring History with the National Archives Special Media Division. The blades are very straight and thin and often have significant flaws. swords. The aluminium hilt / tsuka has good amounts of its Rarely is a high quality blade found in sword cane mounts; however, some of That is an important part of identifying the authenticity of an NCO. $4200. Please consider starting a new thread rather than reviving this one, unless your post is really relevant and adds to the topic.. There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. Free shipping for many products! Some older (Shinshinto) more then I would pay but I'm grinch, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WW2-Japanese-Type-95-NCO-Sword/222687760837?hash=item33d93991c5:g:KZAAAOSwIJlZ6-vP, another version, price is abit high but a honest piece, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-WW2-Japanese-Shin-Gunto-NCO-Samurai-Sword-extremely-rare-variation-3/332424959489?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D48795%26meid%3D4f20fff958304da4af55f1ba88fb7e90%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222687760837&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851. by differential tempering of the blade. Your previous content has been restored. After that I heard nothing. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. View cart for details. There are genuine collectors throughout China too. A real hamon Pasted as rich text. The overall length is approximately 38 inches in the scabbard. most certainly mean the blade is handmade. I really would have liked better pictures of the fuchi in light and the serial numbers, but I am very confident this is a well made reproduction. Referencing Carlo's post from last year, I also used to collect some German (for MANY years) and was quite confident in my ability to spot fakes, but I admit the quality is now off the charts (especially helmets) and it forced me totally out of that hobby. I probably say this way too much BUT to flog a dead horse, the NCOs have a ton of small variations between subcontractors and between batches themselves, so just something to keep in mind. By I sent the seller a message. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. June 23, 2016. like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. When in doubt, check the blade with a magnet. The first question to be answered - is it a real sword or a modern replica or an The collctors in China can spot the fake easily as well,and they pay more than us to get the real ones. Everything for sale on ima-usa.com is completely legal to own, trade, transport and sell within the United States of America. Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. Arsenal stamps do not appear on pre-1930's blades. no interest to Japanese sword collectors. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army $159.50. These are simply paper spacers to aid in positioning the wrapping properly on the handle. There's a technical term for it in Australia. Have a 3rd pattern nco Tokyo First Army Arsenal inspection mark "To" stamping serial number 141882 and wanted to know a possible year dating on that number range cheers Phil Quote Name: Stu W Posted March 7, 2014 Hi Phil, Real swords, decorative, historical, fantasy; humor, social, ID requests, shopping help, art; all sword-related topics are welcome (we are not very strict about topicality)! Blade is 26 1/4 inches long, with an overall length of 36 1/4inches. There are old sword blades which have no visible grain (muji hada); however, the presence of grain does (hamon). The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout WW2. . You might also visit the Ohmura site and study the pictures there. Even should they be able to reproduce the sword exactly, it is not just that one should be looking at, but a series of common features in patina that are universal to genuine, old NCO.
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